phpBB-TweakS

**aUsTiN**

For those who dont know, the future of phpBB is becoming 'Olympus' soon so they say. They said for i dont know how long that 'phpBB 2.2' was the future. But in my opinion, they cant meet release dates, so this is another attempt to prolong it & keep interests high.

Anyhow, onto my situation. My sites will not go beyond phpBB 2.0.x. Its that simple. My mods will not be 'Olympus' compatible for some time if ever to be honest. I have to many mods that are still in dev stages to drop them & restart a complete recode for this new system.

Reasons i feel the way i do:

They (the phpBB Coding Team) have decided in this new system, to make it so every hack & every template does not work in any way. They have openly admitted they know this & are willingly going ahead with it as is. Although they make the core, without the authors of templates & hacks, phpBB would be nothing. It takes the extras to make the core worth using. They knowingly make it so all the ones who support it & make it worth using (as a vanilla phpBB is worthless compared to others) have worked for nothing. That is where my support for their work stops. I cant willingly support people that ignorant & blind to the obvious.

If 3.0.x ever makes it to the popularity of 2.0.x i will be extremely surprised. Why? Because what they are doing has caused many authors to stop at 2.0.x. This in turn causes many users to stop at 2.0.x. It will be a long time before a new batch of coders catch up to what 2.0.x coders know.

When you can knowingly throw away all the hours of work people put into making phpBB a better Bulletin Board that is nothing but lack of respect to anyone but themselves. Therefore I have no intention of surpassing 2.0.x where originality was still there. As of 3.0.x they are making it look more like other BB's & losing originality to compete in a free BB market. Which is pointless & just making people mad.

That is my stand and many others have the same stand in fewer words. So for anyone who wants to know, there is the why & what not you want.

Feel free to post in their defense, but there is no changing my mind or the others unless they come up with a new system, which they wonâ€™t. I donâ€™t mind mature debates, but start flaming, cussing, being disrespectful to anyone about their opinions, thatâ€™s where youâ€™re posting stopâ€™s

**cane_cc72**

I agree aUsTiN if you lose originality what's the point of having different choices when everything will look pretty much the same. In my opinion alot of work and time down the drain,and like you said a lack of respect for all the free coders who spent thier quality time on mods and hacks to make phpbb look better.

**Seteo-Bloke**

I wasn't aware of some of those points.

I have previously said I would start on a dev version of ADR for phpBB v3.x but I may have to rethink as the changes are going to be so severe.

vrflyer

Wow - they want a piece of the pie maybe(see vBulletin/Invision,etc...) ? Shocked

Shof515

If i remmber correctly,the phpBB 2.0.X came out 4 years ago,and i those years,all they came out with was 11 security up,and in my option,phpBB 2.0.11 was not needed since all they did was add a random image thing to the register page.I got a funny feel that phpBB 3.0.X will hardly be realease,not that thier site got hacked

**HaX**

i kinda think their trying to mimic ipb.. the acp seems to be a lot like it. besides the fact that their not drop down menus.. but theirs a lot of formating simularities.. =/

i think if they wanted this config.. why wouldnt they just come out with a new template system? well.. you know what i mean.. a new format.. least it could still be compatible with the current things.. and templates wouldnt be too complicated to update beyond the norm..

i think their just doing it so they can make money or show off.. it dont look as good as it could be.. i'd rather see a mod/hack come out to reformat rather then this gay new vers which sucks lol

**ShadowTek**

Wow didnt know that Sad

I wont be useing it either

2good

I agree exactly with what you just said.

This doesn't mean I won't be using it though,
Its a shame that you won't be modding your Arcade for 'Olympus' (or whatever its called now) but i agree with your reasons why you arn't.

If i can get it so I can have a phpbb 2 and a phpbb 3 using the same DB (which i probobly can't) I will have the arcade on a seperate site... but if not I guess I will have to scrap my arcade Sad

because I'm working on something for Olympus which, if it works, will be very cool & a lot of people will enjoy! Very Happy

**poregorn**

im at 13 right now, and wont be going to olympus either. ive got around 80+ MODs installed that will not work from what im reading here and you cant use the same db? F that ive got over 1700 members and 70G posts, no way ill be going to olympus...only upgrading ill do is security patches in 13's coding if anymore come out

and where can i see olympus? from what im reading here people have seen it (i might just dl it when it gets released and install it as a test board to see what the hype is all about)

**doe ray me**

well the snapshot version im testing MIS on has the same database, just added tables/fields

**aUsTiN**

The tables & fields isn't whats changing... The file structures & classes are...

rshield

I will be moving to the new olympus when the stable release is released, however you will not have to start again as the will make the Olympus line and keep updating this line with security fixes and bug fixes.

**aUsTiN**

I'm already aware of that & fully intend to stay on 2.0.x with my modifications & any big releases Smile

buddystuart

I think i'll stay with phpBB 2.0.x
Do phpBB really think i'll change because at the moment there are 100's of templates and mods out there and what are they doing? Removing all of them and replacing the templates with only 2.

Maybe someone could make a phpBB 2.0.x premod look like phpBB 3.x but still have all the mods compatible.

**HaX**

design a template & control panel look... i've seen people try to set it up to do that....

then again, their adding a lot of content thats not standard on phpbb 2.0.x .. their really ripping off I.B.P , and from what i've seen of it & read of it, i wouldn't doubt if their just trying to copy & paste and edit it to work without being caught for rippin it off .. lol

**aUsTiN**

They are more or less taking phpBB hack authors ideas & codes & recoding it to their formatting.

Cat mod -> phitrik
Birthdays -> Neils or Nivesec, whoever made it....
Alot of the 3.0 is mods that were made for 2.0.x, and a new coding structure.

The end result, an IPB, V3, vBulletin, etc.. looking board. They are giving up orginality, another downfall.

And hundreds of templates & mods? There are literally thousands of templates & mods for 2.0.x

**aUsTiN** · Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2002 7:45 am

Stumbled across this earlier...

Reddaggerz

I'm a relative phpBB newbie, I started with 2.0.10 and I'm up to 2.0.15. I love being able to modify my board to my liking and I've been staring at php code long enough that I've even started making up my own code ( a scary thought, really. I know enough through pattern recognition to make my own changes but probably not enough to keep me out of serious trouble one day Rolling Eyes

).

Anywho, from what I understand, I would not want to move my board up to 3.0.x, I'm having too much fun making my board my own. Very Happy

steiner

I'm a newbie and I will stay a newbie I'm a nOOb and will die as one, so I have a question for you aUsTiN, you have created a great Portal in my newbie eyes, I have it now for over a year and still loves it, you have create a Activity mod+ that in my nOOb eyes is a great mod specially the last update ( just love it.) its easy to work with.
The nr of mods you have make I donâ€™t start to count them but they are a lot not all just that easy but when you look around on your forums the answers are their.

So my question is this why donâ€™t you make a forum of your own, that would make me happy and I think a lot of people with me, then I know for sure that the mods I use from you fits the forum.
Itâ€™s like the guys above say I have too much fun making my board my own.

About phpbb well they have to follow the way they see fit, if they think this as a solution for phpbb I wish them good luck, I stay with what I have a good board and a lot of fun working with it.

X

I support Austion Ideas like 1000%, you can test the olympus version on * and other places, my opinion is that it seems like vbulletin with ikonboard, really for olympus i will prefer the SMF forums kus they have all great mods included within the core system and they recognize their error, mistakes and lacks of security, and include the fiexes for the new version giving the apropiate credits to the creators, owners and testers.
It seems SMF is better than Olympus in the current version, if you cant mod or hack olympus so i will keep my PHPBB2.0.X and for next boards i will use SMF kus i dont like BB to become Vbulletin or ikonboard, i prefer something original with security and with regular updates like SMF.

I say the PHPBB2.0.x programmers should ignore their differences and work in a new development of this 2.0.x versions, not to migrate or update to Olympus but instead to create a board of their own, a new kind of system based on phpbb2.0.x, the development and update of this system for all and once instead of creatig premoded boards, to include the great mods in the core just like SMF.

I must say my actual board is much pretier and secure than any Vbulletin, Olympus, SMF, ikonboard or IPB , and its the result of all phpbb mods and addons, a phpbb board well moded is the best board of all times even better than olympus and other board systems moded kus there are more phpbb mods and hacks than mods for other board systems even combined.

So i say toAaustin, build your own board system, i know you would like to realize a lot of core changes to PHPBB, this is the time, if you are not upgrading to olympus so take phpbb as base and develop a new forum, even with an included CMS like BLEND portal. And almost all the PHPBB2.0.x mods-hacks will be compatible, also you can include them in core and create the best board ever made.
Even if you require help from other like phtikrik or other mod autors i think it would be benefical even if you share the glory instead to sit and wait phpbb 2.0.x to be lost in time.

I repeat i have a forum/board better than any other default of moded board system except PHPBB based, so the idea to lose it makes me sad and i think a lot of you also will be sad .
If phpbb3 are ignorants and stubborns and assholes that prefers to see their own litle bubble of world lets show to them that a better system could be made from bb2 ashes and remark their error.

Yautja_cetanu

I am very confused by all this, having installed a snapshot, olympus looks better then phpbb2 in every way doesn't it?

I know its annoying that all the mods are going to have to be redone... but thats it? Thats seems to be the only disadvantage? I mean really phpbb is so outdated at the moment. you NEED mods for it to be viable. It doesn't support daylight savings for example! And the admin and moderator logs for phpbb3 will be invaluble. I don't know why custom BBCode wasn't done sooner!

Have you all looked at the latest snapshots? You probably have but what do you mean when you say "its like vB"? It doesn't have quick reply which everyone hates about vB!

I mean, I respect your descision... however I can't say I understand it.

Yautja_cetanu

I am very confused by all this, having installed a snapshot, olympus looks better then phpbb2 in every way doesn't it?

I know its annoying that all the mods are going to have to be redone... but thats it? Thats seems to be the only disadvantage? I mean really phpbb is so outdated at the moment. you NEED mods for it to be viable. It doesn't support daylight savings for example! And the admin and moderator logs for phpbb3 will be invaluble. I don't know why custom BBCode wasn't done sooner!

Have you all looked at the latest snapshots? You probably have but what do you mean when you say "its like vB"? It doesn't have quick reply which everyone hates about vB!

I mean, I respect your descision... however I can't say I understand it.

X

Its easy to understand, but you need to know some more history from PHPBB way of thinking.

PHPBB group said all time that they will only work on core, mods wont be included never kus the doo not want to give credit to anyone outside the PHPBB group And this is the way it have been since long time ago.

When the fisrt news of olympus work, they said again the wont include any mod, and that they wanted to recode again from beginning the core.
This is just the way to say "yes we will recode from beggining but we will include mod ideas and things from other BB sistems but without giving credits because it will be in our own codification".
So olympus is just a reopilation form lots of mods in a vbulletin based system fused with PHPBB, i have links for posts in which users give an idea or mod and developers are so interested that they say they will include in PHPBB2.2 that thing. Obviously the wont give credits.

Lots of negligence from PHPBB team have lead to this situation, and lots of developers are against this change not just for the mods, but because PHPBB team wont give any credits and will continue the same way of thinking.

As a matter of fact, austin released one important CORE FIX and later in other PHPBB version they copied this AUSTIN CORE FIX and rewrited it to fit their core as an PHPBB TEAM IDEA when truth was different.

I have de CVS and it lools proimsing but truth its here form now, they wont give any kind of support before PHPBB3.2 so you can see the way of thinking.

But i think really all phpbb developers will move to Olympus some day its inevitable, its like if you were using windows 3.1, technology always upgrades and prevails with this upgrades.

Twillingate.info

It does appear this way that phpBB is attempting to copy some other bulletin board systems in certain ways, and I agree with you, they really should try to stay on their own road, like 2.x Smile

But I guess they want to be "just-as-good-as-ipb" or whatever and copy every one of IPB or VBULLETINS features.

I don't really care, I'll use phpBB 3 whatever way it turns out. Whether it turns out like IPB, or vB, or whatever. Smile

As long as it is a good, stable, feature-filled bulletin board system.

**aUsTiN**

Enjoy it

keith10456

A lot of interesting and valid arguments here...

I did a little reading on phpBB v3, viewed the snapshots and used the test board. Whether original or not, it's becoming an excellent Board.

For a minute, let’s put all hurt feelings, past indiscretions, etc to the side and let’s look at the meat and potatoes.

phpBB v3 is going to be a great Board - whether its the best out there, we'll save that for another topic.

A-mod Plus is one of the best - if not the best - mods released for phpBB.

Here we have an excellent Board (v3) and an excellent Mod... However, it appears that we will have to choose one or the other once phpBB v3 is released. The choice is a loose/loose situation.

Do I stay with an outdated Board to keep the mod that my members and I love? Or do I update my Board out of necessity, and loose the Mod that made my website what it is?

I’m not going to take sides in the dispute (phpBB and Austin) because as I stated, both of them have valid arguments. I’m just hoping that Austin have a change of heart because the fact of the matter is, a lot of people will be negatively affected by this no matter which way they turn (upgrade or stay with 2.xxx).

It appears that phpBB is doing more to support the Mod writers with their mods and v3.

http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=382141

To get to my point, I’m asking Austin to be the bigger man and do it for those he originally - and continue to - do it for… “Us” Sad

**cane_cc72**

phpbb is not doing anything to help mod writers all that post is , is saying that they are releasing modx what is modx ? Mod install template written in XML why XML? hmmmmmmm cause it goes along with the new look. As for mod writers it has been stated before that most mods released prior to v3 will not be compatiable with phpbb v3 it will be upto the mod writers to re-code their mods to work with V3.

keith10456

Here's a copy from the post on the phpBB site:

What is MODX?

MODX is an extended version of the current MOD Template which we have ported to XML. Through XSL transforms, this enables MOD Authors to keep the familiar format of the MOD Template available for their users, while simultaneously adding a level of clarity. The template extensions will also empower MOD Authors with new tools to create and update their MODs

Looks like it's a little more than you stated Idea